When Dorrell Hits the Road
Bumped from the diaries. Summer just started yesterday. But the diary section is already on fire. Keep these coming guys. GO BRUINS. -N
By that title, I'm not speaking of what will happen when Dorrell is fired but what has happened whenever Dorrell leads his charges out of the confines of the Rose Bowl. I believe that the two are intertwined: what happens when Dorrell's Bruins hit the road should lead Guerrero to ask Karl to hit the road on his own after this season.
Reading some of the factual and alleged factual posts on Dorrell's record, led me to report something that's been on my mind. I think we can all agree that winning on the road is harder than winning at home. A lot of teams are very good at home, but what separates good teams from mediocre teams is that the good ones compile a reasonably good record away from home. For example, a .500 road team who goes 6-0 at home would finish with a 9-3 record, which I think would be a good record in any year and very nice if it were a typical year. A team that finishes below .500 on the road cannot finish better than 8-4. Teams that finish well above .500 have a chance for 10-2, 11-1 etc.
How good is Dorrell? Well, in terms of winning on the road, it's not good, not good at all, I'm afraid. In his tenure, the Bruins are 20-5 while wearing the home blues in the Rose Bowl, but only 9-16 in all other games.
Some of you will say, "yeah, but we've played some tough teams on the road, and we shouldn't expect to win those games." Okay, fine. Let's breakdown that 9-16 road and neutral record.
In 2006, we went 1-5 on the R/N, despite playing only 2 games against teams that finished better than 7-6 (both losses). Our one road win against a team with a winning record (7-6), but that is the only road win against a winning team in Dorrell's tenure. Merely by beating only the road teams who finished 7-6 or worse, we would have gone 4-2 on the road and finished with a 10-3 record, and Dorrell's job approval rating would be in pretty decent shape. That being said, we weren't close to doing that, as the 3 road losses to middling teams were all by 10 points or more.
In 2005, Dorrell posted his only winning road/neutral record (4-2). Not surprisingly, it was also his top-25 finish. The signature "road" win was the Sun Bowl victory over 7-5 Northwestern. The 3 other road victories included the two amazing comebacks against non-bowl teams WSU and Stanford, and the losses were by a combined 118-33. Ouch!
In 2004, Dorrell got his only signature road win in 4 years--a nice win at Autzen Stadium, as tough a place to play as there is and a win that made the Bruins "bowl eligible" for that embarrassing loss to Wyoming. Lost in the hysteria surrounding our eligibility for a trip to Vegas was that Oregon finished a mediocre 5-6.
In 2003, we were an unforgiveable 1-6 on the road, with the only win coming against pathetic 2-10 Arizona by 3 points and two losses against losing teams.
Further breakdown of 9-16:
Road record
- against teams with .750 winning pct or better (e.g. teams 9-3 or better): 0-8
- against other winning teams: 2-4
- against losing teams that are within 2 games of .500 (5-7 or better): 3-2
- against losing teams who are 4-7 or 3-8: 2-2
- against teams worse than 3-8: 2-0 (both teams finished in LAST place in the Pac-10 and eked out only 3 wins combined, but our combined margin of victory was 9 points).
*0-9 r/n record against teams with more than 7 wins
*No R/N wins against teams who were ranked at the end of the season
*2 road losses to teams that finished in 9th place or worse in the Pac-10.
*A staggering 4 road losses to teams that finished in 8th place or worse in their conference
*A pathetic 1 R/N win against a team that finished in better than a tie for 5th place in its conference
*A mere 4-4 road record against teams that finished 8th or worse in their conference (1-4 if you remove the teams that finished in 10th (last) place, but at least he didn't lose to any 10th place teams!).
*Only 1 Road win against a winning team (7-6 ASU in 2006)
If you remove the "good" teams we played on the road (.750 or better), Dorrell is still just 9-8 R/N against the rest (that's barely .500 against the teams a good team would beat almost every time). If Dorrell's Bruins had won all 16 road games against teams with 7-5 or worse record, his season records would have been 8-5, 7-5, 11-1 and 10-3, and we wouldn't be having these discussions. If he'd merely not lost on the road to teams who finished 8th or worse in conference, his record would be 8-5, 6-6, 11-1 and 8-5, and this conversation would probably still be happening, but it would be much more hopeful.
Of course, that those wins didn't happen cannot be ignored. I believe that Dorrell's failures on the road are indicative of his mediocrity as a head coach. Moreover, this type of mediocrity is not something that I suspect will be cured with what people are referring to as an easier road schedule in 2007. We have to play Utah, WSU, OSU, USC, Stanford and Arizona on the road. I would suspect that 3 of those teams will finish with a winning record and two others (Arizona and OSU) to probably be no worse than 5-7, and only Stanford to be worse than that. Given Dorrell's past record on the road, I can't bring myself to "predict" that Dorrell will do well enough to meet my expectation of a Pac-10 championship at once every 5 years.
Please feel free to add thoughts or to help strengthen this argument by (1) breaking down the 20-5 home record by quality of opponent, and (2) proving or disproving my hypothesis that good teams do well on the road, and even beat some good teams outside the friendly confines of the home stadium.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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Awesome analysis, appreciated it.
by bluegold on Jun 21, 2007 12:54 PM PDT 0 recs
20 - 5 Home Record
2006 USC (11-2) AP rank #4
2006 OSU (10-4) AP rank #21
2005 Oklahoma (8-4) AP rank #22
2005 California (8-4) AP rank #25
2006 Utah (8-5)
2005 ASU (7-5)
2003 Cal (8-6)
2006 Rice (7-6)
2003 SDSU (6-6)
2003 Washington (6-6)
2006 Arizona (6-6)
2005 OSU (5-6)
2003 ASU (5-7)
2004 SDSU (4-7)
2004 Stanford (4-7)
2004 Arizona (3-8)
2005 Washington (2-9)
2005 Rice (1-10)
2003 Illinois (1-11)
2006 Stanford (1-11)
Losses
2004 USC (13-0) AP rank #1
2003 Oregon (8-5)
2004 Oklahoma St. (7-5)
2006 WSU (6-6)
2004 WSU (5-6)
by McCloskey on Jun 21, 2007 2:29 PM PDT 0 recs
9 - 16 Road/Neutral Record
2005 Northwestern (7-5)
2006 ASU (7-6)
2004 Oregon (5-6)
2005 Stanford (5-6)
2005 SDSU (5-7)
2005 WSU (4-7)
2004 Illinois (3-8)
2003 Arizona (2-10)
2004 Washington (1-10)
Only 1 road victory to a team with fewer than 6 losses
Losses
2003 USC (12-1) AP rank #1
2005 USC (12-1) AP rank #2
2003 Oklahoma (12-2) AP rank #3
2004 California (10-2) AP rank #9
2003 WSU (10-3) AP rank # 9
2006 Notre Dame (10-3) AP rank #17
2006 California (10-3) AP rank #14
2004 ASU (9-3) AP rank #19
2003 Fresno St. (9-5)
2004 Wyoming (7-5)
2006 Oregon (7-6)
2006 Florida St. (7-6)
2003 Colorado (5-7)
2006 Washington (5-7)
2003 Stanford (4-7)
2005 Arizona (3-8)
6 road defeats to teams with six or more losses
by McCloskey on
Jun 21, 2007 3:01 PM PDT
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KD's record
14 of his 50 games fit this profile, and account for 41% (12/29 of his wins. His record when either of those factors are missing is atrocious.
For comparison, among all post-Sanders coaches:
Percentage of total games that were home games against losers (teams that didn't finish the year with a winning record)
Barnes 30% (21/71)
Dorrell 28% (14/50)
Rodgers 25% (8/32)
Prothro 23% (14/62)
Donahue 21% (49/233)
Toledo 21% (17/81)
Vermeil 17% (4/23)
KD playing this (historically) soft schedule with all these "gimme games" masks how bad he is.
Here's a comparison of the coachs' records after subtracting the "gimme games"
Career record excluding home games against losers:
Vermeil 11-5-3 (.658)
Prothro 27-18-3 (.594)
Donahue 104-72 (.591)
Rodgers 13-10 (.565)
Toledo 35-29 (.547)
Dorrell 17-19 (.472)
Barnes 19-29-3 (.402)
KD's record (with the gimmes removed) is significantly worse than his predecessors' (with their gimmes removed) over the last 50 years (except for Barnes who was a failure).
KD has been very lucky to play a lot of home games against losers. It has masked how poorly he compares historically to previous coaches.
by McCloskey on
Jun 22, 2007 11:55 AM PDT
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It's really quite simple
IN FOUR YEARS, KARL DORRELL'S TEAMS HAVE BEATEN ONLY ONE TEAM TO WHICH THEY WERE PICKED TO LOSE: U$C, ONCE, IN 2006.
It should be easily verifiable, if someone can dig up the historical spreads (actually picks) for all 50 games. I do not recall any other instances in which UCLA won as the underdog, but I may very well be wrong. And then you can show how many games we lost as favorites (hint: it's a lot more).
by tasser10 on
Jun 22, 2007 12:21 PM PDT
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Almost
Those are the three upsets KD has.
He has lost (not failed to cover, but lost) as the favorite 10 times;
2003
Stanford
Oregon
Fresno St.
2004
Oklahoma St.
WSU
Wyoming
2005
Arizona
2006
Washington
WSU
FSU
by McCloskey on
Jun 22, 2007 12:40 PM PDT
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Amazing
by bluestreet on
Jun 22, 2007 1:22 PM PDT
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It's equally amazing
by Fox 71 on
Jun 22, 2007 8:21 PM PDT
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Nice. Real nice.
The point, as you demonstrate, is that the losses are far worse than the wins.
To those who still believe...I do not salute you.
by tasser10 on
Jun 22, 2007 3:08 PM PDT
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