Dan Guerrero's Self-Created Dilemma
DG finds himself in between a rock and a hard place and as Bruin Blue notes this was his own doing. Once again to echo Menelaus below a very Merry Bruin X-Mas and Happy Holidays to everyone in this blue and gold bleeding Bruins Nation. GO BRUINS. -N
We are all still hoping that Dan Guerrero ends this extensive coaching search with a winning hire . And that might well still happen. But I think it would be pollyannish to believe that the ultimate choice is going to be someone who is met with consensus approval, or whose name immediately gains us much-sought national respect for both the process and the hire. It is tempting to simply hope that the man who brought in Ben Howland will do it again; but it is equally easy to believe that this search has been mishandled and compromised to such an extent that however it ends up, there are going to be some very unhappy people, and some immediate problems to deal with.
As I said the other day, no one is certain as to whether there are any "big name" candidates left with whom we would have a reasonable chance. At this point, I think it's doubtful, though not impossible. There is a good chance that the three candidates who will shortly all have been interviewed twice--Rick Neuheisel, Al Golden and DeWayne Walker--are really the final list, barring some real deus ex machina in the next week or so. And if those are indeed the three finalists, we can look at the problems we will face, some of which were actually created or at least accentuated by Guerrero.
By letting Walker coach the Bowl game, Guerrero gave him a chance to "audition," in an almost "can't-lose" situation, since the fact that we were using our backup QBs would be a pretty good excuse for a loss. And a win, or the close loss which we got, would inevitably be used as major ammunition by the corps of Walker supporters who have been pushing for his hire since midseason. Letting Walker handle the gathering of recruits a couple of weeks ago gave the media a chance to collect quotes from some of them about how much they hoped to play for Walker. Now we are seeing various current players push for Walker. This is very common, as players and recruits always want to play for the person they know best. But it is part of the media narrative which drives the Walker campaign. And now, if Guerrero chooses Neuheisel, there are going to be some unhappy people, a lot more than there would have been had these situations not been allowed to occur. And even worse, if Neuheisel coaches and Walker remains as defensive coordinator, is there not a very real possibility that sides are taken by some of the players who would have preferred Walker? And if the offense initially struggles while the defense is the stronger side, could this not cause real internal discord and dissension?
If Guerrero chooses Walker, he will anger the group of boosters which supports Neuheisel. Guerrero will have chosen a man who has coached one game (0-1) over someone who has coached 96 (66-30), and has actually won a Rose Bowl. If the team gets has a bad season next year, how ridiculous will Guerrero look, particularly given that he will have once again done the opposite of what he said he would do--bring in someone with head coaching experience? At that point, Guerrero would be in the UCLA hall of shame along with the incompetent Peter Dalis. And after Guerrero waxed rhapsodic about how UCLA's increased revenue under his tenure has allowed them to be very competitive in the football hiring marketplace, how could he credibly sell Walker as the best choice for UCLA? And would anyone mind that a school as academically prestigious as UCLA would pay its second highest salary--far more than that of any professor--to someone who "graduated" from an online "university" known as Excelsior College?
If Guerrero goes with Golden, he will anger both the Neuheisel and the Walker factions, all in support of someone who may have fine potential, but who currently has a lifetime record of 5-19. Some programs--really bad or really good--might be able to get away with this kind of hire; but can UCLA, at this point? If the team struggles next season, the outcries will grow louder. Walker would likely not stay if Golden is hired, since Golden's specialty is defense. Golden would be stepping into a minefield here.
So any of these choices now come with significant risks--not just on-field risks, but internal risks. And here is where Guerrero has painted himself into a corner. Had he gone with Neuheisel last week, there of course would have been some criticism, but it would have looked like Neuheisel was his clear choice; and of course Neuheisel's on-field record, while hardly spotless, is pretty solid. But then came the Bellotti bombshell, making it look like Neuheisel was certainly not the main choice. It may have been bad timing there--that Guerrero had wanted to speak to Bellotti, but that Bellotti had only granted access late last week. Whatever was intended, this episode managed both to hurt Neuheisel's image and to make UCLA look rather futile in its search. Then, of course, by not hiring Neuheisel before the Bowl game, he allowed Walker to try to enhance his case. He has now granted Walker a second interview, this with the Chancellor included.
I have always said that an athletic director should never be afraid to be turned down by a coaching prospect, or even two or three. Too often in the past, we have seemed unduly afraid of being turned down, so we have gone for the safe choice. I do not at all blame Guerrero for seeking out Bellotti, even though the latter would not have been one of my top choices. But with the various leaks and rumors (some undoubtedly false but some very possibly valid), it looks to all the world that UCLA is casting about frantically to find a coach. We hear that Steve Kragthorpe was contacted but declined interest; similarly for Chris Petersen. We have heard various things about Steve Mariucci; he's interested, he wants too much money; we're still talking to him; negotiations have broken down, etc. We have heard that there was an interest in June Jones, but that he is either not interested or that he wants to take his entire staff with him, and we have insisted on Walker being retained. Most of the reasonably fair part of the national media, such as CoachesHotSeat Blog, are seeing UCLA looking like a program which can't attract anyone of prominence, so will have to settle for another assistant, an alumnus who desperately wants the job, or a very young coach whose current claim to fame is winning four games this year. Now, that may not be at all fair, since I happen to think that both Neuheisel and Golden have good credentials, but that's how it looks to most. We are not in the business of placating the rest of the country, but I am also tired of being looked at as a national joke.
Well, the proof is always in the pudding. Whomever Guerrero hires will have a chance to vindicate it by doing a really good job. As always, he will be given a chance to do so; though I think that the patience of Bruin faithful has now worn very thin indeed. Right now, it looks to me as if Guerrero was either not prepared for the rigors of this hire, or that he severely misjudged the landscape. It appeared that he was not certain that he was going to fire Dorrell until after the USC game. The search firm seemed to be hired late. The amount of money that we originally came to the table with (by all accounts about $1.5 million a year) would have been impressive five years ago, but is at least 30% under market value today. The apparent insistence on having the new coach keep Walker as defensive coordinator may well have turned off those few current coaches who didn't balk at the salary. There are legitimate questions as to whether Guerrero had the knack for "selling" the job, as a good AD must have. Going after some big names is commendable, but not so much if nothing was broached to them that would make them really consider the job. If the final list does indeed come down to Walker, Neuheisel and Golden, can anyone say that the list is appreciably better than that in 2002? And if not, does it not enhance what the critics and carpers always love to say: that UCLA is not an appealing place for a coach, and that our program is destined to always have to settle, while the other schools go after and often land the big fish?
I personally think that Neuheisel is still a very credible choice. But the longer we extend this, the more it looks as if Guerrero wants to go in another direction. And the more it appears that he might be looking for the excuse to take the easiest way out and hire Walker. If he does that, I can comfortably predict that UCLA will lose a good 25% of its booster and alumni support base. It's not a good position for an athletic director to be in; and we will soon see what the final decision will be.
- Bruin Blue
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An excellent analysis
I keep hoping Guerrero will pull a miracle out of the hat. For what it's worth -- and I'm not saying there's any likelihood that this will happen -- one coach who may be available and has a legitimate background is Jon Gruden. I think he's in his last year at Tampa Bay, and I believe there has been some discontent with his record over the last few years. He's obviously a winner, and his fiery personality would be a relief after the Dorrell years.
by bruinfollower on Dec 25, 2007 12:40 PM PST 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOO
My worst case scenario from the first time I posted anything on this board was that the Bucs and UCLA would trade coaches. Chucky's philosophy is exactly the same as CTS's. Chucky runs the West Coast Offense. Chucky's idea of a game plan is to establish the running game by running on first and second down, and then on third and eight he throws a 3 yard out. Until this year, Chucky did not have a shotgun formation play in the playbook, and that is not hyperbole. It is a fact. He didn't believe in the shotgun. When Garcia showed up, he insisted on it and Chucky relented.
Chucky is a more animated CTS. But that's all.
by Fox 71 on
Dec 25, 2007 1:48 PM PST
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not exactly
- Chucky won a SuperBowl. So there endeth 90% of the controversy. Comparing Gruden with Dorrell should go no further than the initial utterance -- because other than the fact that both men worked in the sport, the two men have absolutely ZERO in common.
- THE very worst aspect of CTS's offensive "philosophy" is that he had the NERVE to paint (taint) it with the "WCO" moniker. He NEVER lined two backs up in the backfield. He NEVER threw to his tight ends. He NEVER fed his pass from the run and he NEVER, EVER learned to use the tools on had to the best of his ability.... who can say that about Dave Gruden?
- The main problem with the WCO is that Walsh perfected it almost 30Y ago and everyone and their mother has had at least that long to pick it apart.
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on
Dec 25, 2007 4:29 PM PST
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just stupid
by Bear on
Dec 25, 2007 6:59 PM PST
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Bear, I can't tell who you're calling stupid
Look at the facts about Gruden. He is 42-42 lifetime with the Bucs. He won a Super Bowl with the Bucs his first year with Dungy's players, going 12-4. Since then, he's 30-38. He is nominally an offensive minded coach, but his offense mediocre at best. This year, his teams are below average in just about every offensive category. His record is a study in mediocrity. He has milked his Super Bowl victory for much longer than many of us in Tampa can understand, given his incredibly poor record since then. But this town also knows full well that the Super Bowl was generated by the team Tony Dungy put together, and had little to do with Gruden.
by Fox 71 on
Dec 25, 2007 9:15 PM PST
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send him back then
by Bear on
Dec 26, 2007 4:41 AM PST
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You Lost Me at Pollyana
One can assume that this is a botched search destined for failure.
Or on can have faith in the standards espoused by DG and in his ability to deliver an experienced, competitive head coach.
Today, I choose to have faith, until I learn, for sure that Santa Claus is not going to deliver a great coach; right now I believe that the package just got delayed in the holiday game traffic. If it never comes, I'll give up on Santa, forever.
There are several big name coaches who have been tied to the search (by the rumor mill) that have yet to play their bowl games. In them, my first choice Leach and my second choice Jones, both of whom remain realistic, not pie-in-the sky candidates.
I agree completely with your analysis of what appears to be the way DG has handled the DW situation; I think it was a mistake to let him handle the recruits meeting or to coach in that game.
However, I take the positive feedback we've heard from both the recruits and current players with a grain of salt. Many said the same things about KD. It is to be expected that none of them will say anything critical in public. After all, if DW gets the job, they will have to play for him.
Positive feedback, within earshot of the subject is suspect. One of the things I do for a living is litigation consulting. It's a broad field, essentially the application of social science and marketing theory to litigation. I do a lot of "post-trial" analysis to gain understanding of jury verdicts. This has taught me that feedback with the subject listening is not accurate feedback.
After most trials, lawyers rush to the hallway to "de-brief" the jurors. They almost always hear very positive things -- and that is to be expected. No juror is going to look into someone's eyes and say -- "you sucked". To get accurate feedback, you have to conduct a blind study. I've done that so many times I cannot count them. Essentially, a month or so after the trial, I get the real jurors in a room. They do no know me. I de-brief them. The comments I get are always far more criticical and accurate.
So, I agree with you that DG may have blundered by giving DW his platform for the generation of laudatory praise -- UNLESS DG wants to hire DW. Because, if he does not, he will have to do it over the "positive vibes" from the recruit meeting.
On the other hand, one can look at the same scenario and make an agrument that DG does not want DW. After all, if he really wanted him, he could have: (1) set lower search standards and (2) hired DW before the game. Now, DW is 0-1 as a HC and the game, seen in its most favorable light, was not a breakout and looked like "more of the same".
I am most troubled by the rumors that DG is insisting that the new coach accept Walker as a member of his staff. If that is true, no first tier coach will take our job.
As with most big ventures, where the CEO takes the fall for the failures of subordinates, being a HC is a risky business. And, subordinate failure can kill a career. Does anyone think that the Norvell O, or Walker's D against Utah, WSU, FSU etc didn't doom KD.
If it is true that Jones is insisting on bringing his entire, successful coaching staff, and if it is true that DG is forcing DW on him, I will be troubled.
But, again, I have faith in DG and will not believe he is doing that until is see proof that it is happening. And, by proof, I want to see a statement from Jones saying "I wanted the job but turned it down because... ".
Also, interviewing Golden, a defensive specialist, is inconsistent with the "you must keep DW" story.
Right now, the thing that is hurting the search the most is the rumor mongering in the msm, most of it from local reporters with an agenda.
We really don't know anything about the Bellotti story except what they have told us. And, if it is true that we were after Bellotti, I wonder how much the premature disclosures, in the form of rumors, tanked the attempt. It smells a lot like Michingan and Les Miles.
And, the rumor mongering, much of which is designed to lower our expectations -- from some with the express purpose of getting DW hired -- seems to be working.
People I respect are getting despondent and want to pull a trigger now, on a pre-emptive strike, just to make sure we don't slip so low as to take DW.
I think many of the "hire RN" right now people would be a bit more patient were they not fearful we will end up with DW.
And, that demeans RN who, actually, is a very strong choice on his own -- not just as a preemptive strike.
I'm still banking on a first rate hire -- Leach, Jone or RN, and am willing to give DG time to pull it off.
Am I naive, a pollyanna? Maybe. But, I'll take that risk.
by Class of 66 on Dec 25, 2007 12:40 PM PST 0 recs
Nothing new
by 2cgcarver on Dec 25, 2007 1:17 PM PST 0 recs
RUMOR
Happy Christmas and happy holidays to everyone.
by Raisin on Dec 25, 2007 1:32 PM PST 0 recs
Interesting.
Here's a good XMAS analogy - the only Nintendo DS I could find for my son within a 100-mile radius is PINK. He had a complete fit until he finally turned it on & started playing his favorite game.
Merry Christmas, Bruin Nation!
by East Coast Bruin on
Dec 25, 2007 2:40 PM PST
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Speaking of rumors...
by Menelaus on
Dec 25, 2007 3:31 PM PST
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That's almost like
That is just a bad move on Chow's part. I can see why he turned off UCLA.
by bluestreet on
Dec 25, 2007 3:51 PM PST
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agreed...
by redsand514 on Dec 25, 2007 2:01 PM PST 0 recs
I still do not understand why DW is revered
Dorrell has become nothing but a side-note, his overall relevance diminished with time.
The same would happen with Walker if for whatever reason he is no longer associated with UCLA.
He is not the greatest DC out there, and he is not irreplaceable.
by bluegold on Dec 25, 2007 2:56 PM PST 0 recs
Astoturf internet campaign
A poster named lawman222 has been campaigning for Walker ever since he arrived here.
And then you have jackasses like blackjack campaigning for him, because may be they want to redeem themselves after getting exposed over defending Karl Dorrell.
Many of the BRO message board losers have been closely connected to Dorrell for a while. I guess these are the toadies who go to practices and hang around the coaches like little groupies. They probably want to maintain that access. And Walker allows him to maintain that access. That is why they are hanging on to him so hard.
If you go outside the cesspools of BRO or other message boards, Walker may not have a lot of support.
by bluestreet on
Dec 25, 2007 3:05 PM PST
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I hope you're right, but
My suspicion is that not only does DW have a hold on certain segments of Bruin football fans, but also a hold on DG.
All DW, all the time. On message boards. Newspaper columnists. Morgan Center.
The message: If DW goes, so goes UCLA football.
If DW is such a hot commodity, I really want some other school to swoop him outta here with some huge offer.
I am tired of hearing incessantly about DW.
by bluegold on
Dec 25, 2007 3:14 PM PST
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Other than the next-to-last paragraph
"Right now, it looks to me as if Guerrero was either not prepared for the rigors of this hire, or that he severely misjudged the landscape. It appeared that he was not certain that he was going to fire Dorrell until after the USC game. The search firm seemed to be hired late. The amount of money that we originally came to the table with (by all accounts about $1.5 million a year) would have been impressive five years ago, but is at least 30% under market value today. The apparent insistence on having the new coach keep Walker as defensive coordinator may well have turned off those few current coaches who didn't balk at the salary."
What evidence do we have that Guerrero was not prepared for or seriously misjudged the rigors of this hire? A list of 3 potential coaches who have had 2nd interviews? The fact that it's take 22 days and we still don't have a head coach? I submit that these are evidence of lack of preparation only if you assume that the 3 reported options are the only remaining options. Which doesn't make a lot of sense because it would be easy for Guerrero to pick one of these 3 guys. Each is a well-known commodity with UCLA or the new chancellor. If these are the only 3 guys, then wouldn't we have a coach by now? I'll also submit that Guerrero told us that this would be a long, thorough process, with the emphasis on getting the right coach. He said he understood the challenges UCLA has. He was preparing us to be patient as he finds the guy that is best-suited to meet those challenges. Perhaps this is, as 66 reminds us, because his real interest lies in coaches who have other obligations at this time. We'll see. In any event, I have no reason to believe that Dan was ill-prepared or misjudged anything.
Next, you say that it appeared the decision was not made until after the USC game. Do you really believe that? I think that his mind was made up after Utah, which is the game he specifically mentioned in the presser as providing the prominent example of what was wrong with the Dorrell era. He didn't pull the trigger until after the USC game, but were any other coaches fired before the season ended? Surely none who had a mathematical chance to win the Pac-10, like Dorrell did prior to the USC game.
Next, you say the search firm seemed to be hired late. Do you even know when the search firm was hired? Could Guerrero have hired the search firm prior to Dorrell being fired? No and no.
Then there's the story of the salary "by all accounts $1.5 million". Where are these accounts? I've been following this pretty closely, and I haven't seen any reference to salary other than in the case of Mariucci wanting more money. But we don't know how much he wanted or how much, if any was offered. At this point, I cannot even speculate as to what kind of salary we are offering. I could see us offering less than 1.5 million for the Neuheisel, Walker or Golden because none of them has another opportunity this year. But I could also see us going to $2 million for the right coach. Why? Bellotti would not have even spoken to us if $1.5 million was the number. I can't imagine Guerrero would have bothered to speak with Bellotti if only to offer him a $200,000 raise to move from Eugene to LA.
Finally, I too hear the rumors that Guerrero would like to keep Walker as DC. This may be true, but when did this because an "apparent insistence"? The only rumors I've heard indicate that this is a preference, not a requirement. In addition, can we trust even those rumors when the primary source of all rumors in this coaching search is the discredited Brian Dohn, who has turned himself into a useless shill for the Great DeWayne Walker?
As I said above, the rest of your diary is full of useful information and insight. I just wish that it didn't have this next-to-last paragraph, which seems to me to have built a house of cards on a foundation of air.
by BruinsRule on Dec 25, 2007 3:25 PM PST 0 recs
In the beginning..........
DG is still working in that same time frame, so I don't understand all the angst. The Walkerites are a pain in the tush but so were the Dorrellistas before he got fired.
Let it play out, DG has been at the UCLA job for a while and an AD for longer than that. I trust he knows what he is doing.
All these stories flying around are not coming from him. Until they do, I will trust he will do what he thinks is best for UCLA in his hiring of a coach.
by artybruin on Dec 25, 2007 3:37 PM PST 0 recs
I agree
by Raisin on
Dec 25, 2007 3:48 PM PST
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Take if from a Geezer
We've never really gone through a thorough search -- at least not after Bill Barnes -- which is the starting point of my UCLA memory. Since then, hires have been made quickly with little fanfare or input.
For the last search, we did a quick fishing trip in the shallow end of the pool, had 3 not-so-great choices and chose the man in the good suit -- who turned out not to suit us very well.
Maybe it's because I've been on university hiring committees, but this search does not seem slow to me -- not if we expect a great hire, one with experience (who may be working somewhere else now which requires that a protocol be followed).
I'm wondering if Block is imposing, quite properly, a proper search format, one based on a more academic model.
We may be a bit antsy because we've never been through this before but that's not a reason to believe that it is not being done correctly.
by Class of 66 on
Dec 25, 2007 4:09 PM PST
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I admire your faith in DG
by bluestreet on
Dec 25, 2007 4:11 PM PST
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I Don't Think It will Happen
I will join DumpDan with most people around here.
At the first sign of mediocrity, I will join DumpDeWayne.
I'll not contribute a penny to UCLA, in any way. I'm tired of having to buy out mediocre coaches' contracts. Let the people who hire them fund them.
I will root for UCLA. I will hope Walker does well and proves me wrong. And, if he does, if we are a top team competing in BCS bowls, I will apologize, feel stupid and, as an act of contrition, double my contributions to UCLA.
by Class of 66 on
Dec 25, 2007 4:30 PM PST
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Is It Possible
I don't know this answer to this, of course, but I point it out because Guerrero may not be a completely free agent in all of this.
I hope, as we all do, that it turns out well.
by bruinfollower on Dec 25, 2007 4:22 PM PST 0 recs
Good Post
The one memorable aspect of this affair that I'll remember and harp on for years is that the Athletic Administration never even contacted Paul Johnson.
Has it really gotten so bad, that an "out of left field" hire of June Jones is our best bet for a homerun hire?
DG was a baseball player while at UCLA maybe these terms will sink in, in a way all our other posts, and letters have not.
by MexiBruin on Dec 25, 2007 4:26 PM PST 0 recs
be fair
by Bear on
Dec 25, 2007 7:08 PM PST
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Sorry, I Didn't See
by bruinfollower on Dec 25, 2007 4:27 PM PST 0 recs
Bottom line -- RN is the best candidate
RN will help restore us to where we belong: in the Pac-10 and BCS race every year, and kicking SUC's sorry ass around the Coliseum!
by cmcbruin on Dec 25, 2007 7:25 PM PST 0 recs
Walker to Miami
by Bear on Dec 25, 2007 7:26 PM PST 0 recs
It woulf be great...
by DallasBruin on
Dec 26, 2007 6:48 AM PST
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The Grass is always Greener
by Bear on
Dec 26, 2007 9:25 AM PST
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Good Post but let me interject something...
DG has said nothing really, nothing of substance. DG has not named names. DG has not confirmed any of the rumors. DG has not spoken about who has interviewed or where he has been. Not a g'damn peep out of DG. Why the secrecy if these three are the candidates?
Not one of these guys is really doing anything right now. Why conduct the entire process inside the Cone of Silence if you are after these three guys...there is no reason to. If these are the three guys then the entire process needn't be a wicked sub-plot in some cold war epic!
Seriously...I think the targets of DG have been and are still, busy with bowl games. Then in the simplest way the silence makes sense.
by GemCityBruin on Dec 25, 2007 10:24 PM PST 0 recs
Exactly!
by gbruin on
Dec 25, 2007 10:52 PM PST
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Actually, it might get interesting this week..
It would be deliciously ironic if he were sitting up in Boise thinking that maybe his reputation is somewhat less lustrous than when he had the daring victory over Oklahoma as his "signature" bowl win.
As many have posted, if a truly secret home run hire eventuates we will all be thrilled and applaud Guerrero for his masterful job search technique. But then again, if one of the current three are chosen (even Neuheisel), I fear this will be a denouement causing a confidence crisis.
by whp68 on
Dec 26, 2007 5:19 AM PST
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The Triple Option
DeWayne Walker is the "status-quo" candidate; like him or not he has a vocal supporter base (to include media), probably would produce the least amount of turmoil for the team, and would easily meet any salary restrictions. This case assumes the administration thought Karl Dorrell was both the catalyst and the impediment to getting us where we wanted to go - and was close to getting us there.
Golden is obviously the "clean sweep" hire. His resume highlight is re-building, and his salary figure would probably be reasonable enough that UCLA could also afford other coaching staff hires he would recommend. This approach presumes there are problems with the coaching staff that can only be resolved by replacing personnel.
Which leaves RN as the high-profile, big name hire. In this scenario there is presumably less salary money left to make additional changes to the staff - and therefore assumes a strong leadership change alone will achieve the desired results.
To date, Dan Guerrero has evenly and methodically walked these three options through the selection process. It's hard for me to believe either he or a paid member of his staff is not culling through multiple sites such as this and MSM sources to digest editorials - not only to assess the candidates themselves but also to identify others that may fit the same molds. And just as many posters have pointed out, a huge challenge for Dan is keeping any additional candidate options close-hold until the time is right. And if the right time isn't until after the BCS closes out I would not be at all surprised if there is a third set of interviews in this triple option play.
by East Coast Bruin on Dec 26, 2007 12:05 PM PST 0 recs














