[FRESH UPDATE V] Change is Brewin' for Bruins
Bumped again with fresh update from Fox 71 below
Bumped. While it is good news that reports rumors are surfacing that DG is talking about immediate removal of Dorrell and considering the possibility of Walker as the "interim coach," we will make something clear: we are not going to accept Walker as a permanent option at UCLA. Walker can stay through rest of the season, but we need a clean house next season. Period. GO BRUINS. -N
Nice little nugget from the Sportingnews.com, suggesting that Walker may have had a discussion with DG about becoming an interim head coach.
Perhaps all the hard work by BruinsNation and DD are paying off.
It's near the end of the article titled "If Callahan goes, Nebraska can't blow it again."
Here's the link to the full story and here is the UCLA mention:
Change is brewin' for BruinsThe next few games are critical to Karl Dorrell's future at UCLA.
A source told me that UCLA AD Dan Guerrero met with Bruin defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker last week during the team's off week to discuss the possibility of Walker taking over as interim coach this season if Dorrell is let go early.
Presumably, if Walker does well, he would be given strong consideration to become the head coach. Walker's defense has been strong since he arrived in Westwood before the 2006 season. He long has been considered a strong head coaching candidate, with his extensive background in the NFL. The guy is good.
I like the idea of firing KD now and giving Walker the interim head coaching job. Players seem to like playing for Walker. However, with that said, I don't "love" the idea because Guerrero may be tempted and/or pressured (for various reasons) to give any interim head coach the permanent job, and I want UCLA to hire a PROVEN HEAD COACH.The days of UCLA "experimenting" with unproven head coaches (Lavin and Dorrell) needs to be a thing of the past. It's just burned us too badly. Also, DG still needs to prove to us his commitment to football.
Go Bruins!
UPDATE - N: I am glad we blockquoted the relevant excerpt. Looks like the excerpt in question has now been removed. Someone must have gotten to Dienhart. Things are happening out there folks. So please stay on these stories. And every time you notice something make sure you blockquote the germane part, instead of just linking to the story. Let's keep the heat on. GO BRUINS. -N
UPDATE II -N:From Perelman at What's Bruin:
UCLA sports information director Marc Dellins said this afternoon, "This story is categorically untrue. We have asked that it be removed from the SportingNews.com Web site." As of 1:35 p.m. Pacific time, the segment of Dienhart’s blog entry concerning UCLA had, in fact, been removed. I have no problem with this. Its a standard denial. But it certainly doesn't deny the now obvious fact that the Dorrell is now on a scorching hot seat. This kind of rumor usually doesn't come up by accident. What's that old saying, where there is smoke, there is fire. Yadi, yada, yada. GO BRUINS. -NUPDATE III - N: Now Dienhart adds this in his comment thread (emphasis mine): UCLA admits that its A.D. met with a Bruin assistant last week for "personal development" reasons. Uhm, Karl looks like Dan might be working on "disciplining" your "resources." Get that resume polished if I were you. GO BRUINS. -N
UPDATE IV -N: As BruinCore notes in the comment thread now Dohn tries his hand at damage control: The meeting with Walker and Guerrero was scheduled weeks ago, and it was decided the end of last week was best because Guerrero was out of town early in the week, and football was having a bye.
Trying to draw some sort of significance out of the fact that a meeting took place between the two of them at an eatery in Westwood is irresponsible. It's like trying to connect dots that do not deserve to be connected.
If the meeting was so significant to the future of Karl Dorrell, why isn't the other number of meetings between Guerrero and Walker under the same could of suspicion.
Quite frankly, it was an irresponsible report that was quickly pulled. Trying to read further into it, and to suggest it had to have some validity because the two met, is irresponsible. Is there anything more damning about the validity of a report than it being pulled off the internet?
I know some folks are not happy with Dorrell, but to try and turn this into something big is my basic problem with message boards/blogs/ect. Sure Brian we have nothing to see here. I am sure there is no heat on Dorrell as you would like us to believe. And I am sure just like you told us Dorrell should get six years to prove himself at UCLA. And what's up with that dig against blog/message boards. Someone besides Karl is feeling a little insecure these days. Sheesh. GO BRUINS.
UPDATE V: From Fox 71 (emphasis from our Opera Man):
I sent Deinhart an e-mail:"I am a hard core Bruin. Like many of my friends and fellow alums, I believe that our current coach is the worst ever at UCLA and currently the worst football coach in the country. Naturally, I was delighted to hear that you had reported that Athletic Director Guerrero had met with Defensive Coordinator Walker to discuss the idea of Walker's becoming interim coach. The obvious conclusion from that discussion is that the current coach (whose name I simply cannot bring myself to type) would be fired.
Then it came out that Sporting News had deleted the comment about the meeting and the discussion of an "interim coach."
Please clarify the situation. I assume you did not make up the entire conversation. So would you clarify the situation? What were you told? I assume you are unwilling to identify the person who gave you the information, but naturally I would like to know that as well.
Thank you."
His reply puts all this back on the front burner:
"I had a good source, believe me. But, I should have cleared things with DeWayne.
If things go south the next few weeks, things will get interesting. The defense is fine. UCLA was HOT that I posted that nugget. They do admit there was a meeting, but they say it was for "personal development." Yeah, whatever.
What does most of Bruin Nation think? If there is a change, who do you want as coach?"
What say you Mr. Dohn? GO BRUINS.This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of BruinsNation's (BN) editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of BN's editors.
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ha ha
I admit I got excited for a minute about D.Walker as a next coach but it wore off already and you are right that is unacceptable.
by bruinduro on Oct 16, 2007 12:28 PM PDT 0 recs
we just posted this as well ... lets not forget
by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 12:34 PM PDT 0 recs
Also

And then Michigan had their disasters with Steve Fisher and Brian Ellerby. I know different sports but same principle should apply.
I will not be cool with Walker as a permanent HC at UCLA. No way.
by bluestreet on
Oct 16, 2007 12:39 PM PDT
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Bluestreet,
by chavez1271 on
Oct 16, 2007 12:46 PM PDT
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Add Toledo too
I wish Toledo the best at Tulane and Walker the best wherever he may head should we clean house (although Im not entirely opposed, YET, to the idea of Walker staying with a new offensive minded head coach ... but Walker has to prove himself still.)
by BruinCore on
Oct 16, 2007 12:57 PM PDT
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Agreed.
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 1:07 PM PDT
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Oops -- that's "not yet opposed"...
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 1:25 PM PDT
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It was the tequila shooters after the flan
by Fox 71 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:53 PM PDT
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DW is a respectable DC and recruiter.
by chavez1271 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:13 PM PDT
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Good to hear
Not looking past recent ROUTS at Utah, ND (and an unacceptably leaky secondary earlier in the year), KD's serial 3-and-outs have literally left Walker and Co. out on the field to ROT for 30-40 minutes a game, hardly the rest and reward a turnover/scoring-oriented defense needs to run at 150% per down.
Now, we just have to see whether Walker can take his game to a new level under a new HC next season. Either way, we win once KD leaves.
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:20 PM PDT
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Yeah right
by BruinAficionado on Oct 16, 2007 12:36 PM PDT 0 recs
That may be true
by bluestreet on
Oct 16, 2007 12:40 PM PDT
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IMO
by ryebreadraz on Oct 16, 2007 12:40 PM PDT 0 recs
Agreed.
It is FAR too early to tell whether he can be a great HC or not. I sincerely hope he can be, SOMEDAY.
That being said, I just don't think DW should get the reins here.
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 12:50 PM PDT
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Mind you, DW also had one year as a DC...
Ugh.
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 12:50 PM PDT
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Yeah
by ryebreadraz on
Oct 16, 2007 12:53 PM PDT
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We are all better off if CTS goes.
We have talked about excising the cancerous tumor and other such analogies. But it's important to think about who comes after CTS. In my opinion, Coach Walker does not fulfill the criteria. Plus, he seems to have his own set of problems. the defense is 42nd in points per game and 52nd in pass yards allowed. That's not very good.
But as I said, I'll take Coach Walker over CTS. But like so many others, I can't find a lot of head coaching experience in his resume.
by Fox 71 on Oct 16, 2007 12:45 PM PDT 0 recs
This Is Definitely Something........
If the "source" in question is indeed reliable. While Walker may be a suitable candidate for the short term, we need a big-name PROVEN coach to take the reigns next year. Still, it would seem like a wild move by DG to take action now (as opposed until after Dec. 1) but if we were to get hammered by Cal this Saturday it might be enough. We'll see.
by Minnesota Bruinfan on Oct 16, 2007 12:47 PM PDT 0 recs
Taking action
But here's a tidbit. Going into the season, CTS had a lifetime record of 29-21, or a 581 winning percentage. If Cal beats us on Saturday as expected, it would put CTS at 4-3 this year. 4-3 translates to a 571 winning percentage. Thus, a loss to Cal and CTS's overall record would be worse than when he started the year. All DG would have to say is "This year's results show that the team's record has not improved this season, [insert usual BS when a coach is fired], and so we've decided to make a change."
by Fox 71 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:08 PM PDT
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Fox, wait a minute...
(Fox, you're cracking me up, man.)
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 1:30 PM PDT
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Ya know, Clemenza, Mikey's right
by Fox 71 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:47 PM PDT
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I never wanted this for you...
I don't apologize - that's my life - but I thought that... that when it was your time... that you would be the one to watch us win something. Pac-10 Champion Bruins. Rose Bowl Champion Bruins.
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 1:57 PM PDT
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"My athletes are crying out upstairs...
DG
I didn't tell the Media anything. I was about to call you just now and tell you.
CTS
But you needed a drink first. And now you've had your drink.
DG
The Chancellor called me from the causeway. You're fired.
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on
Oct 16, 2007 2:16 PM PDT
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Good, but it should be clear...
CTS is not, cannot, and will never be the DON.
CTS = FREDO.
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 2:19 PM PDT
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OH TOTALLY
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on
Oct 16, 2007 3:13 PM PDT
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Come on Carlo, was it Barzini?
Relax, I'm not going to hurt you. Just tell me, was it the WCO or the lack of head coaching experience?
Well, in our case it was both.
(M and Fox, great thread man. You guys are hilarious!)
by hspigskinfan on
Oct 18, 2007 5:48 PM PDT
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Carlo, someone's got to answer for Sonny
by Fox 71 on
Oct 16, 2007 2:23 PM PDT
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What about DW-KD tension?
And DG/administration brought all this about in the first place by offering the job to an incoherent, inexperienced joke of a candidate who just happened to be wearing a nice suit for the interview.
by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 12:49 PM PDT 0 recs
Great point
by bluestreet on
Oct 16, 2007 1:01 PM PDT
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Then May We Be
Walker will make an EXCELLENT IC, and at least a decent HC in a few years. I don't see throwing him overboard once an Experienced, Name Brand Rebuilder/Recruiter is hired. Unlike the hollow happy talk spewed by his boss for 5-years, Walker's results have been nothing if not tangible. The UCLA defense went from the bottom of the barrel to the top 3rd in One Summer's time. .. the guy earns his pay.
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on Oct 16, 2007 1:03 PM PDT 0 recs
How amazing would it be?
And then the team comes out for the 2nd half. Something is amiss. Where is KD? Then an announcement over the PA stating that Dorrell has been fired.
You want to talk about loud cheers?
by Free the 16 on Oct 16, 2007 1:08 PM PDT 0 recs
And we turn around and win the game
by bluegold on
Oct 16, 2007 1:09 PM PDT
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Not sure
Last thing we need is Walker taking over, Bruins get an emotional boost, run the table, and then stink up the joint at the Rose Bowl, only to have Walker ball out in the post game press conference.
Don't underestimate the power of emotion. I think these kids can potentially play like gangbusters and win out on emotion if Walker takes over as the interim head coach, just for the thought of playing for their coach. It would mask all of Walker's deficiencies in terms of how his inability to scheme against spread Ds, as evidenced by him getting clowned by Utah.
So I don't feel comfortable with that idea at all.
by bluestreet on
Oct 16, 2007 1:16 PM PDT
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Sorry, I did not imply
by bluegold on
Oct 16, 2007 1:22 PM PDT
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Certainly the spread would be key
Seems to me there are some guys on the sidelines (Mariucci) who would be available immediately. Not sure if that has ever been done before though.
by Free the 16 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:23 PM PDT
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OMG
by theREAL_LOGAN5 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:28 PM PDT
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This is a positive sign
by razksig on Oct 16, 2007 1:17 PM PDT 0 recs
DW coaching under a new coach
by uclawarren on Oct 16, 2007 1:17 PM PDT 0 recs
It may not count
On another point, I can only assume that DW would perform much better under any other coach than KD. I could only imagine how much better his defense would perform if they weren't on the field for the entire game. While I think DW is only serviceable, I do feel bad that he is probably held back by KD.
by BruinFan1 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:28 PM PDT
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Thing is, I thinks MRS. Rambis...
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 1:31 PM PDT
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Urban Meyer
by jaffa on
Oct 16, 2007 3:10 PM PDT
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Strong
by ryebreadraz on
Oct 16, 2007 3:21 PM PDT
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I read the article wrong
by jaffa on
Oct 16, 2007 5:43 PM PDT
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That could be part of the interview
by SuperBruinMan on
Oct 16, 2007 6:19 PM PDT
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A light ...
by BenIsTheMan on Oct 16, 2007 1:31 PM PDT 0 recs
If KD had an ounce of integrity and self-worth...
If DG has indeed spoken to DW about being interim coach, and this is now out of the bag, KD should resign and tell DG to shove it.
I think this is what DG wants happen.
by bluegold on Oct 16, 2007 1:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Let's remember
by ryebreadraz on Oct 16, 2007 1:43 PM PDT 0 recs
DON'T LOOK NOW...
Obviously, there can be one of two reasons for removing it. Either (1) it is too close to the truth and the writer's source told him to take it down (which I'm hoping for) or (2) there's no truth to it whatsoever and the writer got called on it and had to remove it.
What say you, BruinsNation?
by razksig on Oct 16, 2007 1:45 PM PDT 0 recs
I say we check all of these stories
by Fox 71 on
Oct 16, 2007 1:49 PM PDT
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Oh, geez, TSN really pulled it...
I'm not talking 'Britney Spears on MTV Awards' ugly, I'm talking 'dogfighting and $C assistant coaches ugly.'
Fasten your lap-straps, everyone.
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by Meriones on Oct 16, 2007 2:03 PM PDT 0 recs
Doesn't Pass The Smell Test
Remember, DG got burned with the Pitno stories a few years ago. It has been reported that the Dorrell/Walker have a personal friendship that extends beyond the football field. It wouldn't be prudent of DG having a "what if" conversation with Walker. Sure Walker would be on the very short list if an interim coach is needed. I just can't see DG approaching him until after a decision had been made. As much as I would like it to be true, something just does not sound right about this story.
by Bruin77 on Oct 16, 2007 2:04 PM PDT 0 recs
Correction
by bluestreet on
Oct 16, 2007 2:05 PM PDT
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Correct me if I'm wrong,
by BruinFan1 on
Oct 16, 2007 2:08 PM PDT
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Yeap
Also the guy who came to Lavo's defense was Al Carnesale, who thankfully is no longer around.
by bluestreet on
Oct 16, 2007 2:21 PM PDT
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Oops, You're Right
by Bruin77 on
Oct 16, 2007 4:13 PM PDT
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The Sporting News removed it?
I read the article earlier with the blurb in the blockquote in the article. I look at it now, and it's gone. And I don't see any mention of the article being edited or altered. It just disappeared.
That's horrible on so many levels.
If Dienhart's source backtracked from the story, Dienhart should have written that. If someone from UCLA got to him, that's even worse, and Dienhart should have reported that. If his editors wanted to squash it, that's something more problematic about the integrity of The Sporting News.
Either way, the part about UCLA disappeared. And either way, it looks bad.
by gilbert on Oct 16, 2007 2:30 PM PDT 0 recs
Looks bad only if Morgan Center issues
There is no truth to the Sporting News story appearing this morning. DG is fully behind KD and the job he has done, and we are looking forward to KD returning in 2008 for another special UCLA football season.
If there is no public denial of the story, t
by bluegold on
Oct 16, 2007 2:37 PM PDT
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Looks bad only if Morgan Center issues
There is no truth to the Sporting News story appearing this morning. DG is fully behind KD and the job he has done, and we are looking forward to KD returning in 2008 for another special UCLA football season.
If there is no public denial of the story, then there is some truth to it.
by bluegold on
Oct 16, 2007 2:38 PM PDT
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From Perelman's Blog
by ryebreadraz on Oct 16, 2007 2:36 PM PDT 0 recs
If Dienhart was wrong, he should so
If Dienhart stands by his source, he should also say that.
Either way, just letting the report disappear is horrible journalistically.
by gilbert on
Oct 16, 2007 2:53 PM PDT
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Deinhart NOT necessarily wrong
Note to readers: There was an item on UCLA's Karl Dorrell that was pulled. UCLA admits that its A.D. met with a Bruin assistant last week for "personal development" reasons.
This ads a bit of intrigue because obviously a meeting between DG and an assistant did occur. We have already said we dont believe the report for the obvious reasons, but then again .. some meeting did occur without Dorrell and that part Morgan Center is not denying.
by BruinCore on Oct 16, 2007 2:56 PM PDT 0 recs
correction
by BruinCore on
Oct 16, 2007 3:02 PM PDT
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Again, I say...
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by Meriones on
Oct 16, 2007 3:02 PM PDT
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"Personal development"
It's not personal "discipline." It's personal "development."
I don't care who denies the original story or says that it is "categorically untrue." Unless it was pure fiction from the start, then it came from somewhere.
by Barnes2JJ on
Oct 16, 2007 3:05 PM PDT
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Can someone explain to me
by Tydides on Oct 16, 2007 3:04 PM PDT 0 recs
quite the opposite
by BruinCore on
Oct 16, 2007 3:13 PM PDT
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Thanks for clearing that up
by Tydides on
Oct 16, 2007 3:20 PM PDT
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Let me handle this, DD.
"Categorically untrue" in this context means that if you check the list of everyone who has ever been in the state of California, there is no one named Dan Guerrero. No one named Dan Guerrero has ever even heard of UCLA, or of any institution with the letters "U," "C," "L" or "A" in it. And even if there were conceivably, hypothetically, someone named Dan Guerrero, it doesn't matter, because there are no persons, places or things that could be deemed to be a "Bruin Assistant" anyplace in the entire world.
The entire thing is ridiculous. It's silly. It's an mystery wrapped in an enigma, and stuff like that.
Or to put it another way, it did happen. DG met with Coach Walker and floated the Interim Coach business, but Coach Walker wanted to think about it, so we can't say anything.
Again, kids, don't try to explain stuff like this at home. It's not something for someone without a lot of training to try. You could really hurt yourself.
by Fox 71 on
Oct 16, 2007 3:29 PM PDT
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Groin Pull
I'm doubtful for this weeks game
by artybruin on Oct 16, 2007 3:58 PM PDT 0 recs
Football players and KD
Bill
by BillSouthBay on Oct 16, 2007 4:22 PM PDT 0 recs

