Coaching Search News & Notes
Let’s get back to the coaching news and notes. And right off the bat a note for all of you don’t get all that distracted by the online campaign of the Walker freaks. We have laid out our arguments against Walker already. He is a shameless hack and an assistant coach who doesn’t have any head coaching experience and is not qualified to be the next head coach of UCLA. We have laid out the arguments dispelling his case numerous times. So let’s stick to those and not worry about giving attention to some silly website that is only rivaled by race baiting shills at the LA Times vying for attention in the interwebs by publishing silly blogs. So, if you really feel the need and urge to respond to some site, just do it over there but no need to bring attention to the Walker related trash over here. Again, if Dan Guerrero is stupid enough to hire Walker or bring in a combo of Chow/Walker, the target will become DG himself.
Speaking of assistant coaches with no head coaching experience, Music City Miracles, our SBN colleagues covering the Tennessee Titans are of course tracking Norm Chow. And let’s just say Titan fans are not all that impressed with Chow and sounds like they won’t be all that upset if he were to leave:
Last season Chow interviewed for the Arizona State head coaching job and the Arizona Cardinals head coaching job. I said in both instances that I hoped he would not leave because it would hurt Vince's development. I am no longer convinced that Chow leaving would hurt Vince.
Chow came in with the reputation for being a quarterback guru. He had developed guys like Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers and Matt Leinart in his time in college. That is an impressive list, but I am not sure that it translates to being the right guy for Vince. I have gotten the feeling this year that Chow is trying to make Vince fit his system instead of changing his system to Vince's strengths. Vince wasn't picked #3 overall because of his great pocket passing ability. He was picked there because of his play making ability. That is wasted pick if you don't take advantage of those abilities.
But enough talking about a shameless hack like DeWayne. Let's get to more interesting news. We have our first official mention in the MSM of UCLA-Mendenhall (emphasis mine):
Meanwhile, Terry Bowden, the former head coach at Auburn who put together an 11-0 season in his first year and left with a record of 47-17-1 is now openly campaigning for the job at UCLA:
Sources said the interest is mutual as there has been contact between UCLA and Bowden's camp.
Bowden, the son of Florida State coach Bobby Bowden, is an animated coach. He coached at Salem College and Samford University before landing the Auburn job. He has successful head coaching experience, but he's been out of the business for the better part of a decade.
He recently interviewed for the Georgia Tech opening, although Paul Johnson was hired.
Bowden was adamant that returning to coaching after a long layoff is right.
"I'm 51 with a fire I had when I was 30," Bowden said.
UCLA has to compete with USC in its backyard, a daunting prospect, but Bowden didn't seem fazed by the rivalry with the Trojans.
"There's no reason you can't (compete with them)," Bowden said.
"You've got the best of both worlds, which is very much like Auburn and Alabama. It's hard to be the best in your own state, but if you can be the best in your own state, you can be as good as anyone in the country."
I will take him over Walker or combination of Chow/Walker. Hopefully though DG as we have said all along is playing it close to vest and has a surprise in store for all us. We can only hope.
GO BRUINS.
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Chow
BTW: Bowden, in my opinion, has been out of the game for too long to be a top candidate.
by BruinAl on Dec 13, 2007 6:01 AM PST 0 recs
Chow Shouldn't Be Dismissed Out-of-Hand
I don't know enough about DeWayne Walker to have a strong opinion either way. I doubt that he is the evil conspirator you portray here, but I do share the consensus view that two years as DC does not make a head coach at a premier university no matter how good a job he has done. I am troubled by the view put forth on the "WeWantWalker" website that purports he has improved the UCLA defense despite inferior talent. What an insult to the current players! If Walker has anything to do with that site, he should denounce that viewpoint and quickly.
If we hire Norm Chow, it should not be contingent upon DeWayne Walker becoming a "co-head" coach or even remaining as DC for that matter. A head coach must have complete control of a program for that program to be successful. If Dan Guerrero makes the hire contingent on Walker remaining, he deserves whatever lesser talent is willing to sign up to that.
by snorkeldorf on
Dec 13, 2007 10:07 AM PST
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From DG
Head Football Coach Search Update
The following is a statement from Athletic Director Dan Guerrero regarding the search for a head football coach.
"Our search for a head football coach at UCLA is progressing. Within the last week, we have done a lot of fact-finding and have also been involved in detailed discussions with some candidates. We will meet with other candidates in the very near future.
"I know our fans and donors have a strong interest in the search and I certainly appreciate their support of our program. Our goal for the search is to find the best head football coach for our program. We are working diligently and I am confident that we will achieve our goal."
by mr havercamp on
Dec 13, 2007 2:16 PM PST
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E-mail from Athletic department today
by mr havercamp on
Dec 13, 2007 2:34 PM PST
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good news!
Of course Norm Chow is probably still in contention. Or maybe not (going by DG's own prerequisites for the job). Seems more and more like the Chow as approved by Walker rumors were just floated by loser Dorrell fans wanting to save face and idiot Trojans looking for another half-decade of easy victories.
by njbruin on Dec 13, 2007 6:34 AM PST 0 recs
Walker as well?
by whp68 on
Dec 13, 2007 7:45 AM PST
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A dark horse candidate
by TuneMan7 on Dec 13, 2007 6:36 AM PST 0 recs
Bowden
by Mrtravlear on Dec 13, 2007 6:58 AM PST 0 recs
Screw Bowden
- June Jones
- Skippy
- Leach
- Towel Man Ed
.....
110. Mooch
by lostnacfgop on
Dec 13, 2007 7:43 AM PST
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Skippy?
by snorkeldorf on
Dec 13, 2007 4:37 PM PST
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Leach
by JOHN GRAY on Dec 13, 2007 7:18 AM PST 0 recs
Keep those REAL HC names floating
by bluegold on Dec 13, 2007 7:29 AM PST 0 recs
I don't know enough about Bowden
by silverlakebruin on Dec 13, 2007 7:48 AM PST 0 recs
On the Scale of Who Wants it Most
Leach
Neuhiesel
Bowden
I remain a Leach fan. I also don't think RN is as toxic as others believe. Not my first choice but light years ahead of DW.
by Class of 66 on
Dec 13, 2007 8:31 AM PST
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Now that's better
I have no doubt Mendenhall would be a solid choice. Bowden, like Mariucci, would score a 10 on the 'presence scale' when it comes to the LA media, but I'm a little more luke-warm on his coaching ability. Still, I'd take any of the three (Mendenhall, Bowden, Mariucci) in a heartbeat over Chow/Walker.
by godblesstyus95 on Dec 13, 2007 7:56 AM PST 0 recs
Candidates
I just can't get excited about a 61 year-old re-tread that has previously been labeled an offensive "genius" (I recall Bob Toledo being similarly labeled) that was denied every Head Coach position he's applied for.
Mix that in with his apparent distaste for recruiting and a reputation for being something of a cold fish, and the negatives FAR outweigh the positives.
Factor in the angle that Chow is a bridge to an "heir-apparent" hiring plan for DeWayne Walker and it makes me want to scream from the top of a mountain.
I know that it's easy to sit back and be an "armchair AD," but if these red flags are glaringly obvious to many (if not most) of us in Bruins Nation, how can Guerrero not see them too?
It's time for DG to make a good hire like he did with St. Howland (I believe he's only one more Final Four away from getting the official designation from the Vatican). I had been hoping for Leach, but the Terry Bowden possibility is certainly intriguing. I don't think Mendenhall is going to leave BYU (he's LDS and has said the only way he's leaving is if he's fired, so I have to respect that). I was never a fan of Peterson anyway and felt that the success of Boise State last year (2006) was the result of the foundation laid by his predecessor.
I just want a quality hire and not a half-baked "good enough" hire.
by SactoBruin on Dec 13, 2007 7:57 AM PST 0 recs
The "heir apparent" plan
Once we have exhausted those options, then we can look at assistant coaches and coordinators. And among those, we should pick someone who is a promising leader, an innovator, has a passion for coaching and a vision for where a program should be. Walker has only one of these (the passion...allegedly), and Chow also has only one of these qualities(innovator).
by tasser10 on
Dec 13, 2007 11:16 AM PST
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I Didn't Know Gore Knew Anything About FB
by Class of 66 on
Dec 13, 2007 1:25 PM PST
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He does too
by tasser10 on
Dec 13, 2007 2:43 PM PST
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I think Gore is too busy
by bornagainbruin on
Dec 14, 2007 7:33 AM PST
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Quality Hires...
Getting a team to a BCS bowl seems to be a decent indicator of when a school knows it made a good hire. As a quick experiemnt, I took a look at the ten head coaches in BCS bowls this year, and analyzed their qualifications prior to their current job, and matched them up with some names that have been mentioned for the UCLA job:
Ron Zook -- retread college head coach (Bowden)
Pete Carroll -- retread pro head coach (Mariucci, Mora)
June Jones -- retread pro coach (Mariucci, Mora)
Mark Richt -- coordinator (Chow)
Bob Stoops -- coordinator (Chow)
Rich Rodriguez -- up and coming coordinator with small school HC experience (no good match)
Frank Beamer -- I-AA head coach (Hauck)
Mark Mangino -- coordinator (Chow)
Les Miles -- BCS conference head coach (Leach)
Jim Tressel -- I-AA head coach (Hauck)
The point is, there's no guarantee that hiring a guy who is current a HC will work out any better than a guy without HC experience. I don't think Karl Dorrell failed as our coach because he wasn't qualified to be our head coach; rather, I think he failed because he wasn't prepared to be our head coach.
Dennis Franchione wasn't prepared to be Texas A&M's coach. Dirk Koetter couldn't handle the ASU job. Being an up-and-coming HC is no guarantee of success.
My point is, we should keep an open mind, and not place undue restrictions on who we think should be eligible to be our next ball coach.
by haoledave on
Dec 13, 2007 1:58 PM PST
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Nice list
- How is Ron Zook a retread and not Les Miles? Zook was HC at Florida, a BCS school...
- Hauck is coach at Montana...it is not a I-AA school
- Richt, Stoops and Rodriguez were at least TWO decades younger than Chow when they got their gig.
- Mangino has not consistently been successful yet, and this year was very 2005 Dorrellian as Kansas played no good teams and got crushed by its nemesis Missouri. They should not even be in a BCS bowl.
So your list is:
- 6 who were head coaches before their current gig
- 3 who were former coordinators widely viewed as innovators and destined to become head coaches
- 1 who was a former coordinator and is still unproven
The point I am trying to make is not that a coordinator has no chance of being successful, but that the SAFEST bet would be someone with head coaching experience. Chow is just not in the same league as those 3 former coordinators, but if you had mentioned someone like Bo Pelini, he would have been received differently. UCLA just has not done well with coaches who did not have prior experience so we would do well to hire someone who has a higher probability of success. No more experiments.
by tasser10 on
Dec 13, 2007 2:30 PM PST
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Clarification, correction, Hire Mangino, old age
Montana is a I-AA school. Well, now it's called FCS or something stupid like that, but it's the same level of play. Montana is in the Big Sky conference.
Mangino... well, I kind of agree with you there, but what impresses me is the kind of defense Kansas had to go along with their offense. And sure, they lost to the only good team they played, but they didn't play down to the level of competition the way Dorrell's team frequently did. Kansas was murdering teams this year. (Frankly, I wouldn't mind it if we hired Mangino! Someone tell him there's an In-N-Out in Westwood!)
Fair point about their age, but why does Chow's age make such a big difference? He's still mentally fit. Bobby Bowden won a national title in his late 60s. Joe Paterno had an undefeated team in his late 60s. We like it when, say, presidential candidates have lots of experience. If he's still physically fit and the game hasn't passed him by (and it doesn't seem to), I don't see any reason to disqualify him because of his age. Hell, Dick Tomey is 69, and he has done a nice job of turning around San Jose State.
I certainly get what you're saying about the safest bet being a person with head coaching experience. It's the first place I'd look as well. I think UCLA should hire the best guy they can find, and he may not have been a head coach yet. (After all, all great coaches were, at one time or another, not a head coach until someone gave them the opportunity.)
by haoledave on
Dec 13, 2007 3:33 PM PST
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A League of His Own
These other guys wouldn't qualify as waterboys in Norm Chow's league.
by snorkeldorf on
Dec 13, 2007 3:58 PM PST
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Chow's league
But Chow can't qualify for the head coach league, because he has never been a head coach. If you're talking about a head coach hall of fame, Chow will have to buy a ticket like the rest of us if he wants to get in. If Chow wants to play in the Bruin version of the HC league, all he needs to do go out and get a HC job and come calling once he's proven he has what it takes to be a HC.
Because he has never been a head coach, never having been hired at the various schools at which he's tried to get hired. We at UCLA will take no more chances with really good OC's or DC's or former wide receiver coaches. Our next coach will have head coaching experience. If Chow elects not to go that route, maybe our next coach (who will have had head coaching experience (unlike Chow)) will hire him as an OC. He would undoubtedly be a great OC, having shown a great prediliction for that role. Unfortunately, he wouldn't qualify as a waterboy in the head coaching league, never having been a head coach (and presumably never having been a waterboy.)
I read somewhere that you are a newcomer to the BN, Snorkel. Welcome. It's pretty difficult to catch up on all the posts about Chow in one sitting, but it's a task that might be fruitful. There have been a lot of posts which have demonstrated pretty conclusively that Chow is not the guy we are looking for as our head coach. Try the search function. Again, welcome.
by Fox 71 on
Dec 13, 2007 6:22 PM PST
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Thanks for the Welcome
I have a different view on why Norm Chow hasn't been a head coach and I am convinced that, given the opportunity, he would be the greatest coach we've had since Tommy Prothro. But, as you suggest, I will search this site for past posts regarding Chow and see if any of those arguments sway me.
Thanks again.
by snorkeldorf on
Dec 13, 2007 8:26 PM PST
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Be careful whose stuff you read
Some of the other guys - meh. Take what they say with a grain of salt.
by Fox 71 on
Dec 13, 2007 9:52 PM PST
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You can read the future?
Look, it's one thing to give an opinion, but you have to BACK IT UP. As you said, Chow has been an OC and a great one. Fair enough. But what in that makes you think he would be a great head coach? How does one lead to the other? Just because you think he would be great doesn't make it so.
by tasser10 on
Dec 14, 2007 10:56 AM PST
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The Interview Process re: Walker
Having hired a fair share of people over the years I've found that the biggest obsticle to getting "your guy" into a position is always some internal candidate. To please HR and avoid a potential lawsuit you always have to give dilligence to the internal candidates first. They get first interview, you over-do it and make semi-public sounds like they are getting an even-handed chance....then you move on to your real opportunities, the real people you want to talk to...
We got Walker OUT OF THE WAY. It's that simple. I expect over the next four or five days to see some real interviewing going on. If someone sees Leach at the airport or Mendenhall or whomever and they are current, successful HC's somewhere THAT'S the likely "go after" DG's seeking.
I like the call on Bowden, that he'd stay a couple of years and then stepping-stone his way out of here back to the home turf. And honestly, for me, RN is not the guy. Everywhere he has been, UCLA, Colorado, Washington, etc there has been nothing but drama. He's a drama queen. To me that makes him unpalatable.
I'd love Leach mainly because I remember the panic attack and shock waves sent through the entire state when he hung 70 points on Nebraska. I would live for the day he'd hit the rewind button here at UCLA, screwing the trOJans with a 70 point whippin'
by GemCityBruin on Dec 13, 2007 8:58 AM PST 0 recs
To Hire the Insider
DG did not do that. To the contrary, he defined it in a way that DW can't fill it.
And, neither can Chow
by Class of 66 on
Dec 13, 2007 1:27 PM PST
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Does anyone know why Bowden quit
by silverlakebruin on Dec 13, 2007 9:39 AM PST 0 recs
Per Wikipedia
On a side note, having just gone through my first football season in Alabama, I can't tell you how interesting it is to see how the press was announcing Nick Saban as the next coming of Christ to now being "well, maybe he wasn't all we thought he was".
by bruinbabe2000 on
Dec 13, 2007 12:37 PM PST
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the longer we take
I was telling my brother the other night about the Chow/Walker news, and the main jist of the conversation was that while i had really wanted Chow to replace Toledo, i just wasn't sure anymore.
Now days have passed since that story broke and Mendenhall, Brooks, and Leach are surfacing.
The longer this takes, the more i get the feeling that DG wants to take his time and get this right.
I like Leach, Mendenhall, Bowden in that order. I think Brooks is intriguing after they year they've had at Kentucky, but I agree his overall win/loss record is not very good. Even the Ducks fans at my CFB message board do not remember him fondly.
by MexiBruin on Dec 13, 2007 10:32 AM PST 0 recs
Bowden's Mid-season Evaporation
..actually, a post above referred to Neuheisal as a drama queen; this guy -- although he may be a good coach -- sounds like he has had controversy swirling around him throughout his career.
It is nice to have someone of his caliber interested in the UCLA job, however; it sure puts the kibosh on the How and Walker speculation.
by whp68 on Dec 13, 2007 10:33 AM PST 0 recs
Bowden
by Marquitos76 on Dec 13, 2007 12:53 PM PST 0 recs
Going from Dorrell to Mendenhall ...
by Achilles on Dec 13, 2007 2:00 PM PST 0 recs
Dan Guerrero Speaks
Statement from Dan Guerrero
Head Football Coach Search Update
The following is a statement from Athletic Director Dan Guerrero regarding the search for a head football coach.
"Our search for a head football coach at UCLA is progressing. Within the last week, we have done a lot of fact-finding and have also been involved in detailed discussions with some candidates. We will meet with other candidates in the very near future.
"I know our fans and donors have a strong interest in the search and I certainly appreciate their support of our program. Our goal for the search is to find the best head football coach for our program. We are working diligently and I am confident that we will achieve our goal."
by MexiBruin on Dec 13, 2007 2:21 PM PST 0 recs
Talked to an Auburn Fan...
by Raisin on Dec 13, 2007 2:32 PM PST 0 recs
wow
after grinning and bearing through reading all of your emotion-based (as opposed to factual-based) comments, this one may be the most alarming. That one line tells viewers all they need to know about your posts and this website. worthless!
is that really how you want to base your opinion on a head coach's quality of work. The highly uninformed average fan. How many times have fans been upset with a coaching hire, only for it to turn out a major success. and I know this goes both ways. Sometimes the coach turns out to be as worthless as your comments. but to say that hiring a coach should be based off the reactions of fans is just wishful thinking, most likely stemming from you never making it to your goal of becoming UCLA AD.
based on that opinion of yours alone, DeWayne Walker should be the next head coach. Fans across the UCLA community believe he is right for the job. He has had more fans backing his cause than any other UCLA head coach candidate. you contradict yourself all the time man. Im not necessarily on the DeWayne Walker bandwagon, but I am happy that a guy who promotes himself as the savior of UCLA football, and is enthused about having the chance to turn this team around as a candidate. Looking past his high regard with a lot of fans, (because that is the smart thing to do) he has obvious football knowledge, been involved with the program and highly regarded recruiting ties. Those are all great things to have in a candidate.
now since i know how this website works, Nestor is going to simply brush this post off and hand it over to his bosom buddies that go in and try their hardest to back up everything that Nestor says. or i will just be blocked again, but i just wanted to reiterate that this website is childish. You are trying to put the fate of other people into your own, uninformed hands. you did it to Dorrell and now you are doing it to Walker. That is just wrong and says a lot about your character. This website tries to defend itself when it comes to racial issues and this job, but are people wrong for their suspicions? i mean this website has gone on an all out verbal assault on Dorrell and Walker. Minus the brief inclusion of Gil Turner as a head coach, (you guys really backed that one) who else is a minority candidate in your hopes of being a head coach? Open up! this is a world of globalization . Integrate all walks of life, because caucasians are no longer the only answers when it comes to football.
and thanks for leading me to the website www.WeWantWalker.com. finally a website that attempts to reflect positive opinion and promotion as opposed to obstruction.
by StopCrying on Dec 13, 2007 2:41 PM PST 0 recs
Gee, I don't know where to begin
Go back to wewantwalker and hopefully you stay there. It would be mutually beneficial.
by bluegold on
Dec 13, 2007 3:10 PM PST
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You'd have a lot more credibility
by jaffa on
Dec 13, 2007 3:15 PM PST
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It's pretty hilarious
Race bait moar.
by Tydides on
Dec 13, 2007 3:55 PM PST
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LOL It gets better!
http://www.bruinsnation.com/story/2007/11/16/23468/524
http://www.bruinsnation.com/story/2007/11/5/23547/5837
Unintentional comedy is the best comedy. So much for your "internet goodbye" eh BruinFoSho/StopCrying?
by Tydides on
Dec 13, 2007 3:58 PM PST
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Permission to come aboard
The mental picture of Pat Hill in the UCLA environment is haunting. If changing the football culture is the ultimate goal, this is certainly the way to do it. No longer Wimpwood.
If recent Bruin football was as suspenseful as this coaching search, Dorrell might still be here.
by Offside on Dec 13, 2007 3:38 PM PST 0 recs
Permission to reboard
by Offside on Dec 13, 2007 3:41 PM PST 0 recs
Leach was not interviewed by Miami.
We pay him very well.
by Red Blooded on Dec 14, 2007 5:10 AM PST 0 recs


















